Re: Retro DOS
By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Fri May 16 2025 09:26 am

If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads

Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a
thing.

Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.

ZMODEM actually started as a file transfer tool/protocol for UNIX, not DOS (an incremental improvement over YMODEM by Chuck Forsberg) - the program was called 'sz' (for send zmodem) and 'rz' (for receive zmodem) and then later Chuck created DSZ (DOS Send ZMODEM, which does both the send and receive in the same executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.
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Re: Retro DOS
By: Jcurtis to DUMAS WALKER on Sat May 17 2025 09:25 pm

My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.

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Re: Re: Retro DOS
By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 18 2025 10:49 am

It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet, then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.

I think that's meant to preserve your new scan pointers.

Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via
telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.

No, nothing is "locked out". You can use the &W command from the main menu (default command shell) to write-out your scan pointers at any time.
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Re: Retro DOS
By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Sun May 18 2025 08:26 am

It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.

My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.

Sorry, I forgot to mention the 'binary' step when I was going over how it works. Some ftp clients don't need it but others seem to. I usually try
to remember to do it just in case!

The Synchronet FTP server sends all files in binary mode, regardless of what the client does.
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Re: Re: Retro DOS
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jcurtis on Mon May 19 2025 06:24 am

Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.

I can confirm - I use FTP every day and if I'm logged in, the FTP
session doesn't detect any new messages to pack.

Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.
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My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.

The Synchronet FTP server *only* supports binary mode, so something else is u

OK. Guess my FTP client was the problem. Works fine as long as I
remember to set binary mode.


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Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.

FTP get VERT.QWK updates my pointers without any extra steps. Works
good. I don't need to login via telnet.

No doubt &W is useful in some way unknown to me.


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Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.

ZMODEM actually started as a file transfer tool/protocol for UNIX, not DOS (an
incremental improvement over YMODEM by Chuck Forsberg) - the program was calle
'sz' (for send zmodem) and 'rz' (for receive zmodem) and then later Chuck created DSZ (DOS Send ZMODEM, which does both the send and receive in the same
executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.

LOL, good to know. My first encounter with it was on DOS so it just never occurred to me that it actually started on *NIX. ;)


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Re: Re: Retro DOS
By: Jcurtis to DIGITAL MAN on Tue May 20 2025 11:25 pm

Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.

FTP get VERT.QWK updates my pointers without any extra steps. Works
good. I don't need to login via telnet.

No doubt &W is useful in some way unknown to me.

If you're *also* logged into the terminal server (e.g. via Telnet) at the same time as the FTP server and you make changes to your scan pointers/config on the terminal server, those changes are saved and re-used (e.g. for FTP-downloaded QWK packets) unless you either log-off the terminal server or use the &W command to write your new-scan config/ptrs to disk.
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Re: Re: Retro DOS
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Wed May 21 2025 02:04 pm

If you're *also* logged into the terminal server (e.g. via Telnet) at the same time as the FTP server and you make changes to your scan pointers/config on the terminal server, those changes are saved and re-used (e.g. for FTP-downloaded QWK packets) unless you either log-off the terminal server or use the &W command to write your new-scan config/ptrs to disk.

So FTP does not see the changes until you logoff telnet, or use the &W shortcut, whichever comes first. I think I see now. Thanks.

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Re: Retro DOS
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Tue May 20 2025 10:41 pm

receive in the same executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.
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