Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
I think that the people discussing christianity in this general forum
should move to whatever forum exists for that purpose. Since they keep
repeating the subject matter here, I think it was a hint. Of course, in
light of who posted that message - I might be completely
misunderstanding what it meant.
Have a wonderful day!
Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful. The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to
anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.
That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
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Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful.
The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
Have a great day!
phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on
Mon May 19 2025 08:10 am
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.
I think this is the vision, and the purpose is to destroy what makes us huma and unique, and create a humanity which is just nothing more than a herd
Wat? It's the exact opposite. If you can grow the best bananas, you are unique, and we all benefit from your unique quality by letting you grow all the bananas.
phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There was a funny Finnish parody of most SF out there, in one scene the captain is seen coming out of the bridge bathroom with a line of toilet paper stuck to his shoe.
Yup! See, that's good stuff.
Cougar428 wrote to PHIGAN <=-
tethered to their phone. I was at the grocery store in line, and there
was a teenage girl in front of me with her mom. She was having an
anxiety attack as she forgot to take her phone with her. Afraid she
might have missed a text or ping from FB or X or whatever.
In the parking lot, I see people walking to the entrance with their
eyes glued to the phone. Not even watching where they are going. Then
there are the people with the earbud/mic who walk around in the store
talking to themselves while they are trying to pick which Cap'n Crunch
to buy.
I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and
don't have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.
Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-
Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly
this
is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
missed the idea altogether.
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
Have a great day!
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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Cougar428 <=-
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
Arelor wrote to phigan <=-
think this is madness you ought to check how the cancer used to grow in the RPG industry: *some* people were mad because elves are better with bows than everybody else, because that implies an ethnic group is
superior to others in certain fields - and therefore the game is racist and must be burnt. The solution is to ensure elves are as lame with
bows as everybody else. Now you realize this people wants to accomplish the same thing in the real world.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear this.
Good point, and I guess not one I've thought about either...
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
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jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Mon May 19 2025 08:41 am
I give up. You've proven you are way smarter than I am. I think the
original idea was to keep yourself safe, and the best way to do that is
not to write down the secrets. If you don't write them down, you won't
need to encrypt them. And thus, if you don't engage in the activity in
the first place - you can't get burned.
Well, most stuff people needs security for are not hard secrets. They
need to be shared with others. The trick is you only want certain
people to know them, not *everybody*.
Life is all about risk mitigation. You cannot sit on your sofa all day long because you might get run over by a car if you go out. Eventually
you will starve and die. That is the reason why you go out using reasonable precautions, which is what all of this is about.
So yeah I think skipping Facebook for your family comms is a
reasonable precaution, specially because you can do what Facebook suposedly facilitiates... without Facebook.
Quoting Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to PHIGAN on Mon May 19 2025 08:41:32
It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people.
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more
harm than good...
Quoting Jimmylogan to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
Quoting Jimmylogan to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Please elicidate! Enlighten me.
It's the last word. :-)
Quoting Phigan to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Mon May 19 2025 08:41 am
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
Don't forget, though, he was Austrian.
Quoting Nightfox to Foriest Jan Smith <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
It seems some people are drawn to getting into arguments with people
about politics & such on social media, and then get tired of doing
that and stop using it.
Quoting Jimmylogan to Jcurtis <=-
Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)
It would be nice to keep the religious discussions on the religion
subboard, since Digital Man was accomodating enough to create one.
His house, his rules. Jesus is not a license to harass people who don't want to hear it.
I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.
That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.
We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...
Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Gamgee to jimmylogan on Mon May 19 2025 08:54 pm
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Political Correctness demands that we do not recognise race, and that
we simultaneously address racism and race based policies.
Race doesn't exist when it is suitable for Political Correctness, and suddenly does exist, when it is suitable.
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Boraxman wrote to Cougar428 <=-
If you listen carefully to the rhetoric of those stridently "Against racism" you'll see the same kind of language, same kind of ideas.
I hear constant utterly horrific things from so
called "tolerant" types. But because they think they are fighting the right, they don't see how terrible their views are.
Boraxman wrote to MRO <=-
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much
as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
I used to use this phrase, "more than human" to describe myself. It
was my opposition to this "we are all just human" sentiment.
There is more to us than just being human, and reducing us to the
basest, lowest common denominator strips away what makes us...us.
Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Political Correctness demands that we do not recognise race, and that
we simultaneously address racism and race based policies.
Race doesn't exist when it is suitable for Political Correctness, and suddenly does exist, when it is suitable.
Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Zyzzyva!
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Tue May 20 2025 06:56 am
We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...
Funny how the leave out stuff like that from TV shows & movies
sometimes..
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Raising a 15 year old daughter and 21 year old son, I've seen those behaviors. Once with my son, we went to the car wash and both forgot
our phones. I just beamed, thinking I had 10 minutes where I could
just sit without distractions. My son was beside himself.
I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and
don't have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.
They're convenient distractions, especially if you have a high-energy
kid. My wife was great at finding small kids activities for dinners
out and cars - lots of activity books the size of a paperback book with coloring pages and games. In retrospect, those are great activities
for a kid to engage with.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-
Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly
this
is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
missed the idea altogether.
Another book recommendation is "The Midas Plague" by Frederik Pohl -
about a society where cold fusion makes energy cheap, and when energy
is cheap, the costs of production plummet and there's an
overabundance of abundance. The book discusses how society changes in several stories in ways you wouldn't think.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
techniques to do so.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..
Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said: We must learn to live together
as brothers or perish together as fools.
So if we are talking taxonomy, sure - species vs. race. But if
we are talking about unity and worth? I still say: one race -
the human race.
Well we do appreciate personal liberty. The thing is, they are trying to ca us up with the rest of the world where your rights don't matter.
Luckily the patriot act was not renewed but they are always trying to chip a at taking away our rights.
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get ri of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.
We like to cancel people.
in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a bar. people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and even went to the court ab it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make a story and show up.
Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.
i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey brains a human brains can't figure shit out.
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comesThe Human Genome Project was not supposed to come to the conclusion that race was real. That was decided before it started.
down to how we define race.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said: We must learn to live together
as brothers or perish together as fools.
So if we are talking taxonomy, sure - species vs. race. But if
we are talking about unity and worth? I still say: one race -
the human race.
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
I used to use this phrase, "more than human" to describe myself. It was my opposition to this "we are all just human" sentiment.
There is more to us than just being human, and reducing us to the basest, lowest common denominator strips away what makes us...us.
Sure, there are a TON of different cultural differences. Being
a human doesn't take that away, but if saying we are all human
prevents racism, then why not?
Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Political Correctness demands that we do not recognise race, and that we simultaneously address racism and race based policies.
Race doesn't exist when it is suitable for Political Correctness, and suddenly does exist, when it is suitable.
Do YOU recognize ethnicity as "race?"" As I have read more and more,
I've come to see where Hitler was getting his "race theory." Darwin
taught that we are all part of four races. The word Caucasian
comes from Caucasoid. The others were, to him, less evolved.
My point is that we are ALL equal - we just have different
body types, amounts of melanin, etc.
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the devil figure for the world.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Oh, my god - really? Elves and dwarves are different SPECIES!
I'm imagining a key and peele episode where the different species in D&D
are racial stereotypes...
(aside: I loved playing elves in D&D. Stealthy as all hell, and roll
high enough on dexterity and they'd get 3 attacks every 2 turns...)
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the devil figure for the world.
From what I've heard, anti-semitic stuff is very frowned upon (if not illegal) in Germany. I think people in Germany these days realize how bad Hitler's policies were.
From what I've heard, anti-semitic stuff is very frowned upon (if not
illegal) in Germany. I think people in Germany these days realize how bad
Hitler's policies were.
I'd heard this too, however, when I visited the Porsche Deutschland R&D facility (for work) back in 2018, I found: 1. There was much less ethnic diversity than there is in California (I fit right in and everyone spoke German to me assuming I was one of them). In a large company like that, you could literally count the non-whites on your fingers.
2. Germans didn't take long to bring up Hitler (first lunch in the company cafeteria in fact) and quietly estol his virtues (economics, as I recall).
I didn't hear/see any anti-semitism however. And no swastiskas, though the German national eagle symbol (Coat of arms) is prevelant and evoked some WWII (books/media) flashbacks for me. From what I saw, Germany is a clean, quaint, beautiful historic country, but the people maybe haven't changed so much as we're lead to believe in the 80 years since WWII ended.
Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right.
The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work.
The KKK example
is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be
I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech.
business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".
The problem is that if private
companies can 'punish' you, then you
lose your freedom. You do NOT have
freedom of speech, if your employer
take retribution and fire you for wh
you say outside of work. The KKK
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Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
techniques to do so.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Educate me. Who are the few?
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Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Gamgee on
Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Race might be a social contruct with no significant biological basis,
but let me tell you nobody will mistake a throughbred for a
hispano-breton horse. And while we are at that, nobody will take a hispano-breton to a race, but they will have her pull a cart instead of the throughbred any day.
But even the idea that race lacks biological basis is thin because the origins of people can be traced via biological markers - that is the reason why we know gypsies come from India, for example, because they
are sufficiently distinct from other groups that their traits can be identified. And there are even hints that homo sapiens don't come from
a single ancestor either but from a number of family trees that evolved separatedly.
Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 21 2025 10:55 pm
Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right.
i can't READ!
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
"First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work.
we have freedom of speech from our govt. i wont be arrested for
wearing my kkk robes. it depends on the state, but some are at will
which means the employer can toss you for any reason as long as it's
not a protected reason like age/sex/religion,etc.
The KKK example
is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be
how dare you call my example stupid. how dare you.
I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech.
that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief.
you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a
protected class of person.
business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".
every type of establishment has infiltrators. the KKK did.
greenpeace, the masons, anything big. they get in there and redirect
the focus. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed
May 21 2025 10:55 pm
The problem is that if private
companies can 'punish' you, then you
lose your freedom. You do NOT have
freedom of speech, if your employer
take retribution and fire you for wh
you say outside of work. The KKK
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
I'm going to give it a read.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief. you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a protected class of person.
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
infringed. It prohibits an action.
They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.
Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
*social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.
If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
right is not absolute, which I agree with.
By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to some
degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to protect
people from being fired for their speech! If an organisation DOES
By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.
In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing peop he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe it is a wise way of managing a firm.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: phigan to Boraxman on
Wed May 21 2025 06:58 pm
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Fundamentally, there is a big difference between recognizing somebody
has a right and aproving of the way the right is used.
I may have the fundamental right of hitting my knee with a
sledgehammer, that does not mean you have to accept it is a wise course
of action.
In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing people he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to
the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe
it is a wise way of managing a firm.
For all the calls we get to diversify the workforce and people is
pushing for the notion that we have to eject anybody who does not
follow the uniparty out of the workforce. Good job, diversifiers.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 22 2025 10:01 pm
Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
infringed. It prohibits an action.
They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
now i have to read the second one?!!?
i told you i can't read.
i think you are looking at this through a weird lens; we have laws,
tons and tons of laws. laws on top of laws. overlapping laws. old
laws. those complex laws state what our rights are and how it's to be handled.
we then have judges to interpret the laws when things go caca.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.
our entire legal system is not the declaration of independance
Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
*social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.
you are interpreting our free speech laws incorrectly. you are free to
say what you want. it wont protect you from getting canned from your
job if they decide you are not a fit to what they represent. You are
only protected if you are part of a protected category of person and
your rights have been violated based on your race, origin, age, sex, disability.
If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
right is not absolute, which I agree with.
it's (being fired from the workplace because of speech) not an
exemption because there is no actual violation of our laws. that's just how it is. it's only a violation based on what it is and if it
violates a protected class of person.
By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to
some degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to
protect people from being fired for their speech! If an
organisation DOES
so far it hasn't been an issue except people were canceled for dumb
shit during those witch hunts.
if it is an issue it can become a bill and be put through our system.
I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.
Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.
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As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and
factual.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species
is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own definition.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There
is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There
is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science
works. Words matter.
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Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Gamgee on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Witness today "scientists" now saying that sex is not a binary, that
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
support whatever the regime needed.
The answer is obviously yes, as we use race ALL THE TIME. Even those
who say race does not exist, use it ALL THE TIME. Now, whether it
should be called "Race" or "ethnicity" or "group", well, thats just semantics.
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Sure, there are a TON of different cultural differences. Being
a human doesn't take that away, but if saying we are all human
prevents racism, then why not?
What prevents racism is not jamming disparate peoples together into
one place.
The more you try and push people of different cultures and ethnicities together, the more antagonism you get.
Also, you are assuming that racism is the biggest evil. It is not.
There are bigger evils. Communism, which was supposed to unite the
world and destroy barriers between people, killed more people than
Nazism.
The West is hyper obssessed with racism to the point that it is
literally supporting ethnic cleansing so as not to appear racist.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 03:30 pm
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
This is the party line I see in so many ruined and dead RPG forums. It usually comes from people who wants everybody to be equal even if that means they need to make everybody equally misserable. I don't buy it.
It is much more practical (and realistic) to embrace the fact humanity
is composed of people with different biomorphic dispositions and accept people belongs to different groups with different strengths and weaknesses.
The fun part is that diversity loving people can't accept humanity
itself is diverse.
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Race might be a social contruct with no significant biological basis,
but let me tell you nobody will mistake a throughbred for a
hispano-breton horse. And while we are at that, nobody will take a hispano-breton to a race, but they will have her pull a cart instead of the throughbred any day.
But even the idea that race lacks biological basis is thin because the origins of people can be traced via biological markers - that is the reason why we know gypsies come from India, for example, because they
are sufficiently distinct from other groups that their traits can be identified.
And there are even hints that homo sapiens don't come from
a single ancestor either but from a number of family trees that evolved separatedly.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
If I tell you "Robert is Black, Harrison is White and Li is Asian",
and then I
give you a photo of three men, people WILL be able to tell who is who just from
those descriptors alone. Even if I photoshop everyone to have the
same skin
colour, you'll still be able to tell.
This means that race exists. When people select actors for an advertisement, for "Diversity", they select on race.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
bill nye is not an authority on any of the stuff he speaks on. he's a weird fucker too.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Educate me. Who are the few?
Capitalists. Employers.
Quite often, if there is a conflict of rights, they will favour the minority (the employers).
One person may be in control of 1000 jobs, and Americans will default
to that one persons "right" of association to be of higher value than
the 1000 peoples right to Freedom of Speech.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...
Sorry to interject into the thread but...
My 38-yr old son got a new job this month and during this whole
process, he took time to come over to my house and thank me for
"raising him right."
Made my millenium...
(His mother left me with the 2 kids when he was 2 and his sister was
5. I raised them by myself... it wasn't easy but paid off as they are
both great kids.)
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Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
I'm going to give it a read.
I think the book I read was compiled from 4 novellas Pohl wrote in
Galaxy. Look around, you might find more...
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Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.
Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
I was also stationed in West Germany in the early 80's. I remember
asking and elderly woman about Hitler. She was not to pleased about
the subject. I don't think my question made her day.
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If I tell you "Robert is Black, Harrison is White and Li is Asian",
and then I
give you a photo of three men, people WILL be able to tell who is who just from
those descriptors alone. Even if I photoshop everyone to have the
same skin
colour, you'll still be able to tell.
Yep - because we have been taught that dark skin = black race;
light skin = white race; etc.
And yeah, change the skin tone and you'll likely have an easy
time telling from facial features, unless you are looking
at a third or fourth generation 'mixed race.' In that case,
I dare say they may not be as easy to spot!
This means that race exists. When people select actors for an advertisement, for "Diversity", they select on race.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
My point is that they should NOT do this. People should be
identified by how they ARE and not how they LOOK.
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Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Gamgee on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Witness today "scientists" now saying that sex is not a binary, that
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
support whatever the regime needed.
Another great example of 'scientists' saying things, based
on ideals rather than facts.
The answer is obviously yes, as we use race ALL THE TIME. Even those
who say race does not exist, use it ALL THE TIME. Now, whether it
should be called "Race" or "ethnicity" or "group", well, thats just semantics.
This I agree with. I think 'race' is a bad term. Cultural
group or something like that is better, in my opinion.
There are no 'white' people nor 'black' people. We all
have different levels of melanin in our bodies, so we
have different skin TONE. Some are darker; some are
lighter.
By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.
discrimination!!!!
1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
stands and breweries!
Have a great day!
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As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and
factual.
Can you give me an example? I've read a lot of references on
this tonight, and the general consensus has changed over time.
Race is now broadly considered a social construct rather than
a biological one.
Have you looked into the "one drop" rule? The geographical
theory? Do you consider races to be subspecies?
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species
is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own definition.
You're right, I don't get to make up definitions. So whose do
we follow? Scientists today? Or scientists from the past? As
a wise man once said, science doesn't say anything - **scientists**
do. In other words, science is a process of gathering and interpreting data. If it always delivered absolute facts, its conclusions
wouldn't change over time.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There
is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There
is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science
works. Words matter.
As for your point about "proper terminology," I agree that words
matter - which is why I checked a few sources. Here's how **dictionary.com** defines things:
**Species** A group of related individuals that resemble one
another, breed among themselves, and are biologically distinct
from other such groups. Also: a group of persons related by
common descent or heredity.
**Race** Multiple definitions:
1) A group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
3a) *(no longer in technical use)* traditional divisions of humankind.
3b) An arbitrary classification based on physical characteristics
(skin, eye shape, etc.).
3c) A **socially constructed** category based on appearance,
ancestry, or shared culture.
6) *The human race* - humankind.
So... while you might not like the phrase 'human race,'
it's still used, even in formal dictionaries, as a synonym
for humankind. It carries spiritual and moral weight, and yes,
it still exists in scientific and educational language as a
broad reference to all people.
If you're discussing gene flow or breeding populations,
sure - use precise taxonomy. But if you're talking about
our shared humanity and dignity, I still say 'one race -
the human race' fits just fine.
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I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
FORIEST JAN SMITH wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese social media app, lol
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm
1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
My first duty station was in Wiesbaden. 81-82
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm
didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
stands and breweries!
Have a great day!
We used to just get on a train and not even know the town we got off
at. Rooms at the Gasthaus were around 8 dollars and came with
breakfast. Good times. Then part of my duty was driving all over
Germany checking survey markers, staying at Gasthauses and playing kegelban.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Bogomips <=-
Bogomips wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but it is not.
Matthew Munson wrote to FORIEST JAN SMITH <=-
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese >social media app, lol
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
Quoting Ogg to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Hello pF!
** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
Munson:
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).
Good times in Europe.
Have a great day!
getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!
I wish you a great day.
They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.
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Re: Re: race
By: MRO to jimmylogan on Fri May 23 2025 02:21 pm
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
bill nye is not an authority on any of the stuff he speaks on. he's a weird fucker too.
You replied to jimmylogan, but it looks like you quoted something from someone else (probably Boraxman?).
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The "race is just a pigment of your imagination" was designed to
changes peoples attitudes, but it was the wrong approach. You can't
lie to people to change their attitudes, because they'll realise the
lie, and discard the lesson that accompanied the lie.
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper,
underlying evil motivation behind it.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
My point is that they should NOT do this. People should be
identified by how they ARE and not how they LOOK.
Now it is incorrect to attribute a specific racial stereotype to an individual, if that is what you mean. However you obviously can tell peoples ancestry from sight alone. You'd know I'm European, and not
Asian or African or Australian Aboriginal by looking at me.
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
I think the 'lay person" understanding, is correct. When I say "lay person" I mean those who aren't trying to abide by a Politically
Correct view. People, free of any particular ideological motivation reflexively understand, that Europeans and Sub-Saharan Africans kind
of belong to two distrinct groups, and within those, there are sub
groups. Nobody would see Greeks, Italians, Chinese and Japanese, and
see four wholly distinct groups, they would see two sets of two. This shows two levels of clustering. Clearly observable.
Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=-
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jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and
factual.
Can you give me an example? I've read a lot of references on
this tonight, and the general consensus has changed over time.
Race is now broadly considered a social construct rather than
a biological one.
Have you looked into the "one drop" rule? The geographical
theory? Do you consider races to be subspecies?
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species
is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own definition.
You're right, I don't get to make up definitions. So whose do
we follow? Scientists today? Or scientists from the past? As
a wise man once said, science doesn't say anything - **scientists**
do. In other words, science is a process of gathering and interpreting data. If it always delivered absolute facts, its conclusions
wouldn't change over time.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There
is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There
is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science
works. Words matter.
As for your point about "proper terminology," I agree that words
matter - which is why I checked a few sources. Here's how **dictionary.com** defines things:
**Species** A group of related individuals that resemble one
another, breed among themselves, and are biologically distinct
from other such groups. Also: a group of persons related by
common descent or heredity.
**Race** Multiple definitions:
1) A group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
3a) *(no longer in technical use)* traditional divisions of humankind.
3b) An arbitrary classification based on physical characteristics
(skin, eye shape, etc.).
3c) A **socially constructed** category based on appearance,
ancestry, or shared culture.
6) *The human race* - humankind.
So... while you might not like the phrase 'human race,'
it's still used, even in formal dictionaries, as a synonym
for humankind. It carries spiritual and moral weight, and yes,
it still exists in scientific and educational language as a
broad reference to all people.
If you're discussing gene flow or breeding populations,
sure - use precise taxonomy. But if you're talking about
our shared humanity and dignity, I still say 'one race -
the human race' fits just fine.
You can still say whatever you want. It doesn't change the facts about what species and race are. When you write words that you claim are "quotes" from a site like dictionary.com, but in reality *paraphrase*
what was there to suit your own needs, you become someone that I won't discuss the subject with any longer. Go back to school and actually
learn something, and quit trying to be a "social warrior". Bye.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.
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Hello pF!
** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
Munson:
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
May 24 2025 12:08 am
I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.
Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers
cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as
things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized
politically.
Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick
move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When
I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half
the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working
in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.
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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
The "race is just a pigment of your imagination" was designed to
changes peoples attitudes, but it was the wrong approach. You can't
lie to people to change their attitudes, because they'll realise the
lie, and discard the lesson that accompanied the lie.
Yep - because men are evil at heart. People WANT to be racists,
because it's easier.
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper,
underlying evil motivation behind it.
Why horrendous?
Technically we are all from the same group of ancestors anyway.
Adam and Eve, specifically, but even after that, the eight on
the ark spawned the repopulation.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
My point is that they should NOT do this. People should be
identified by how they ARE and not how they LOOK.
Now it is incorrect to attribute a specific racial stereotype to an individual, if that is what you mean. However you obviously can tell peoples ancestry from sight alone. You'd know I'm European, and not
Asian or African or Australian Aboriginal by looking at me.
Ancestral - yes - but I look more white than anything, so should
I be blamed for slavery in the distant past? Should a 'black'
person be blamed for crime in another city?
These are stereotypes and have nothing to do with the
individual.
To be blunt, I was NOT raised this way. I was raised by a VERY
biggoted man - my father. In the south, it was normal. Thankfully
I have made my own decisions as I grew up and realized this was
NOT the proper way to think or act.
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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
I think the 'lay person" understanding, is correct. When I say "lay person" I mean those who aren't trying to abide by a Politically
Correct view. People, free of any particular ideological motivation reflexively understand, that Europeans and Sub-Saharan Africans kind
of belong to two distrinct groups, and within those, there are sub
groups. Nobody would see Greeks, Italians, Chinese and Japanese, and
see four wholly distinct groups, they would see two sets of two. This shows two levels of clustering. Clearly observable.
I don't deny that at all. If you go back to the Tower of Babal
account, people were staying together instead of spreading out
and repopulating the earth after the flood. God broke up their
language and they clustered at that point. They spread out
and over generations they got paler skin, darker skin, etc.
Facial features would cluster too. If you have people with
certain gene types (light hair dominant, dark regressive)
and they breed with another of the same, the offspring
will share this. Eventually the dark will be so far
regressive that it will only come up in RARE instances.
Now that's a basic way of saying it, but I hope you understand
what I'm saying...
And this is why the left wing extremists win.
Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western
civilisation to tear apart...
When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
advocating for our own emisseration.
I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am
The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance.
Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight
strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants
you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I
like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.
Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being
declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is
that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody
would know they are official failures.
The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was
the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies"
because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.
I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.
Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to
terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can.
If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination.
The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to
back off.
And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I
am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then
you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions
are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground. --
What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am
What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.
It... depends...
Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased
by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in
these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.
My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within
the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.
And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work
at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find
woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.
Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like
North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh, and PC).
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
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I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper,
underlying evil motivation behind it.
Why horrendous?
Technically we are all from the same group of ancestors anyway.
Adam and Eve, specifically, but even after that, the eight on
the ark spawned the repopulation.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status
quo and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for
some time.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
On 2025-05-03, Boraxman <MSRDBBS!Boraxman@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for smal chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look tha up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not b tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notic and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety people around and participating here and there. I say this frequentin BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh and PC).
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
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Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:04 am
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographi of the area.
End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no busin being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever hea a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?
But, like you said, it's not managements fault because they don't make bad decisions. Peter Principle.
Very simply put. This "mixing" is occuring in white countries. If you go to Nigeria, Korea, Japan, China, Cameroon, Nepal, you won't see that.jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper, underlying evil motivation behind it.
Why horrendous?
Technically we are all from the same group of ancestors anyway.
Adam and Eve, specifically, but even after that, the eight on
the ark spawned the repopulation.
It won't happen in our generation. Maybe the next. I drove by a
schoolyard in my old neighborhood a few years back and looked at the
kids. I didn't see white kids, black kids, brown kids, yellow kids -- I
saw a mix of ethnicities.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status
quo and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for
some time.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they
need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of
obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts -
lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids.
Both of which benefit society as a whole.
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status quo
and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for some
time.
Very simply put. This "mixing" is occuring in white countries. If you go to Nigeria, Korea, Japan, China, Cameroon, Nepal, you won't see that.
See other nations will be able to maintain their identity. White nations become a "mix". So white people, and only white people disappear.
This "the world will mix" is a pernicious and evil lie, a lie that needs to die.
The world will NOT become one race. East Asians, Indians, Sub Saharan africans will remain as they are. The end result is one group of people going. That is why it is horrendous.
Anyone still advocating this should really be forced to look at themselves hard in the mirror.
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Re: Re: race
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
on Sat May 31 2025 02:23 pm
the status quoI suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be
and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for some
time.
Very simply put. This "mixing" is occuring in whitecountries. If you go
to Nigeria, Korea, Japan, China, Cameroon, Nepal, you won't see that.
See other nations will be able to maintain their identity.White nations
become a "mix". So white people, and only white people disappear.
What identity, specifically, are you referring to? I'm not sure a country's identity is mainly defined by the skin color of its
residents. It's maybe a statistical factor, but I think the main
identity of a country is its cultural beliefs, norms, history, etc.
This "the world will mix" is a pernicious and evil lie, a liethat needs
to die.
The world will NOT become one race. East Asians, Indians, SubSaharan
africans will remain as they are. The end result is one group of people going. That is why it is horrendous.
Anyone still advocating this should really be forced to lookat themselves
hard in the mirror.
I've visited Brazil a few times, and while there are groups of certain ethniticies there, one thing I thought was interesting is that it seems there are a lot more mixed-race people in Brazil than there are in the
US. Also, I felt like race/skin color isn't really talked about a whole lot there. It's like they just don't really make it an issue. In some ways, I feel like all the talk about race in the US only draws focus to it, and perhaps contributes to people of different ethniticites staying apart. The US ended segregation decades ago, but I feel like there's still a perhaps unconscious desire people have to stay around people of their own skin color. But I believe in Martin Luther King Jr.'s
message, that skin color shouldn't matter, and I think everyone should
be able to live together and mix. Though I know that isn't necessarily the reality today.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.
As a person who is *decidedly* "not-left", I like this post, and agree with everything in it.
But..., the only problem with ALL of that is that the money allocated
to such things is generally wasted/frauded/abused/stolen/diverted by corrupt assholes and doesn't get used for what it's meant for.
Just like all other "social programs" like welfare/foodstamps/rent,
etc.
The "answer" to all of that, by the Left, is to increase taxes on all
of us, rather than STOPPING the corruption and blatant mis-management. That's a problem for me. <SHRUG>
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
I don't doubt it. I only recently subscribed to that sewer, and am
going to pull the plug on it, today.
why are you formatting your text
like that?
For my C64 :D
An actual real C64?
You know, I think some of us (me at
least!) would be joyed to see a
photo
of our post as displayed by the C64,
especially if you're using a CRT
display.
Maybe this is a speficially American thing, where you are taught that
you have no identity? Elsewhere around the world, this is not a
question. I'm in Australia, but from Southern European heritage, and I
can tell you in my ancestral country, there is utterly no question at
all of who "we" are. They consider me one of them, even though I was
born in Australia.
I'm thinking you are in the USA? Empires tend to think like this.
The difference then is that countries like Mexico, Brazil, Peru,
Nicaragua, all those central American countries which people seem to be
seeking to flee to go to the USA illegally, are "Blended". You may not
have seen much focus on race, but I've heard differently, including from
people who lived there. I think it is clear which approach is better.
You can tell from where people are moving from, and where they want to
move to. The British approach is clearly better.
As for MLK, he was a product of his time. This post WWII ideal is in my
view, dead, and should be buried. I still cannot believe people are
pushing for this social message. I put it down to people who just haven't realised the world has changed, and still think its the late 20th century.
Ask the Whites in South Africa how things are going. Ask Australias
how the mass immigration is working out. Or the English.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm
Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my car.. Also when I get groceries, it could sometimes take about an hour by the time I'm done getting through the store & waiting in the checkout line to pay.. I'm not going to leave my car idling for an hour while I shop.
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The problem as I see it is that one political side is willing to throw
out undesirables, to use rhetoric and power to sieze the moral
zeitgeist, and other...isn't. At least not now.
I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographics of the area.
End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no business being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever heard a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?
It won't happen in our generation. Maybe the next. I drove by a
schoolyard in my old neighborhood a few years back and looked at the
kids. I didn't see white kids, black kids, brown kids, yellow kids -- I
saw a mix of ethnicities.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status
quo and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for
some time.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
These people who force these policies will have to be held accountable at some time./
See other nations will be able to maintain their identit.y White nations become a "mix". So white people, and only white people disappear.
It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on
political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And what political program would that be?
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And what political program would that be?
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white
That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
problem be "fixed"?
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
You mean like... George Floyd?
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
That's a very reductive argument.
Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
You mean like... George Floyd?
The Tuskeegee Airmen.
Medgar Evers.
Colin Powell.
Jackie Robinson.
Charles Calvin Rogers.
and more...
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That is because some arguments are very simple. That does not mean they are bad.
Translation in simple terms:
- "Somebody who does extreme things is an extremist"
- Your answer is that is a reductionist argument, then you justify extremist stances.
Case is settled.
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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly) used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think Yahoo! Chat account.
I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days, people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a
dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write messages on all the networks with Pidgin.
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a
phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
Iliked MSN because I didn't feel to concerned about giving people by MSN handle,
strangers I could talk to that I wouldn't necessarily want to add in my phone book.
I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and
chat
clients could work without a central controller.
Hey;
just an FYI, neither Signal, FB messenger, nor Telegram make people use phone numbers to share contacts. Instead you share contacts via username because phone numbers are outdated for that kinda thing.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:27 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a
world wide network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
the
NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.
i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you
might
think.
I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever
info they can people and sell it.
it's probably happening all the time.
Yes, I know that argument, and I know all to well the kind of person who makes that argument.
You made your point. I get it.
The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.
By not plastering your info everywhere, you make it difficult for miscreants. I've been able to protect myself many
times by being prudent, and I know that for a *FACT*.
I'm not arguing this anymore
So tell me, where do I live?
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 07:05 pm
* I Had to lookup the ELECTRONIC Communications ACT, and I have a File about this matter. But, The Electronic Frontier Foundation website (EFF) has lawyers !
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