• When everything is digita

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Feb 26 18:45:01 2023
    Re: When everything is digita
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Feb 26 2023 03:40 pm



    They sound a Lot better.
    softer, must more body to the music.

    Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
    the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
    that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
    to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
    people perceive as "softer".


    my mom didnt do that shit and her records sounded better period.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ogg on Sun Feb 26 17:41:48 2023
    Re: When everything is digita
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Feb 26 2023 03:40 pm

    Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
    the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
    that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
    to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
    people perceive as "softer".

    Another problem with records is that there's more surface area toward the outer ege, which means there's less surface area for audio information as the needle moves toward the middle of the record, so the songs toward the outer edge will sound better than the songs toward the middle of the record.

    Many early manufactured CD players were terrible, and produced
    a harsh "edgy" sound. Over time, that contributed to what some
    people reported as "listening fatigue". I experienced the
    same. I had thought that I had purchased a fine player. The
    sound was super clean and clear, but over time there was
    something about the sound that wasn't confortable to the ears.

    Later, I got a new player with a better D/A converter
    technology, and the difference was significant.

    I got my first CD player (a Sony Discman) in 1992, and I always thought the CD players I've had sounded good all the time.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sun Feb 26 21:34:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-

    Re: When everything is digita
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Feb 26 2023 03:40 pm

    Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
    the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
    that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
    to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
    people perceive as "softer".

    Another problem with records is that there's more surface area
    toward the outer ege, which means there's less surface area for
    audio information as the needle moves toward the middle of the
    record, so the songs toward the outer edge will sound better than
    the songs toward the middle of the record.

    Well...... it's really not because of "surface area". It's due to the
    faster speed of travel of the vinyl under the stylus at the outer parts,
    which makes it easier to encode the data accurately (because you have a
    longer distance for a given section of sound). Another factor is that
    the angle of the stylus arm in relation to the groove gets more
    pronounced as it gets toward the inner part of the record, thereby
    introducing a form of distortion.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Mon Feb 27 10:31:27 2023
    Re: Re: When everything is digita
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Feb 26 2023 09:34 pm

    Another problem with records is that there's more surface area
    toward the outer ege, which means there's less surface area for
    audio information as the needle moves toward the middle of the
    record, so the songs toward the outer edge will sound better than
    the songs toward the middle of the record.

    Well...... it's really not because of "surface area". It's due to the faster speed of travel of the vinyl under the stylus at the outer parts,

    Yes, maybe I used the wrong phrasing.. But I think the outer edges of a disc move faster because the radius (and similarly surface area) is bigger there? Sort of splitting hairs there, perhaps.

    which makes it easier to encode the data accurately (because you have a longer distance for a given section of sound).

    Yes, that's the idea I was trying to convey. :)

    Another factor is that
    the angle of the stylus arm in relation to the groove gets more
    pronounced as it gets toward the inner part of the record, thereby introducing a form of distortion.

    Ah, that makes sense. I hadn't thought of that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MRO on Wed Mar 1 07:06:00 2023
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    Re: When everything is digita
    By: Nightfox to Gallaxial on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:47 pm

    Re: When everything is digita
    By: Gallaxial to Ogg on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:14 pm

    "a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
    common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
    old re-issues to new releases"

    its not because the sound better on old record ?

    I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a debate of its own.


    They sound a Lot better.
    softer, must more body to the music.

    In my experience, they sound good when new, but the more you play
    them the worse they get from the needle. Just my opinion...

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 1 07:12:00 2023
    Quoting Nightfox to Ogg <=-
    Discman, what about the Walkman? Cassettes have their own issues,
    but you could record the album and walk around listening to it.

    I got my first CD player (a Sony Discman) in 1992, and I always
    thought the CD players I've had sounded good all the time.

    Cougar

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Cougar428 on Wed Mar 1 09:27:41 2023
    Re: When everything is digita
    By: Cougar428 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 01 2023 07:12 am

    I got my first CD player (a Sony Discman) in 1992, and I always
    thought the CD players I've had sounded good all the time.

    Discman, what about the Walkman? Cassettes have their own issues,
    but you could record the album and walk around listening to it.

    Yes, I had a walkman before that. I had a good number of cassettes and enjoyed using them and recording songs from the radio, etc. I had a dual-cassete radio boombox at home for recording, but I really enjoyed having a cassette walkman too.

    Nightfox

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